Below is an encyclopedic set of questions (in
italics) that recently befell me. Each is followed by my responses, some of which might be benefit you, the blog reader (all one of you). There are more links than you might care to visit, so don't go suing me if you develop tendonitis and the dreaded Swollen Mouse-Clicking-Phalange Syndrome. Ask your doctor if this blog is right for you. Then take ten and enjoy! Side effects are unknown at this time.
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Hi Chuckie,I've got some rather lengthy questions for you. You usually are pretty good about answering everyone's questions on your comments page, so I figured I'd give it a go. I'd really appreciate any of your help.
Last year I started to train for triathlon, and I eventually found your blog and the wonderful information in it. I think I became addicted to following it as I procrastinated from schoolwork. I've read about 90% of your archives! We have similar thoughts on many things, including the thoughts of anyone in the "certified establishment". Eventually I overcame the addiction to your blog as I concentrated on training and not sitting in front of the computer. Obviously I still follow you quite closely and your training styles. My goal is to be a professional triathlete and I've always thought you would make a great coach for me, if I had any money to pay you. Maybe someday! I do not train socially but I am thinking about coming to one of your camps down in Solvang. I could use the sunshine in the spring, as I am up here in beautiful and misty Portland Oregon.
I've decided in order to reach my goals I need to accelerate my learning curve and reach out to the experts and the people who know a lot more about training than I do (you).
I've bought a lot of books on your list and I've started moving through them. Although the only place I can find Jan Olbrecht's "The Science of Winning" is at a swim shop in the UK. There are many philosophies out there and reading through all of them makes for headaches. But I enjoy learning about the training.
1. I had a question about peaking/periodization and how that relates to off-season training. If peaking exists, and one develops a periodized plan (whether non-linear or linear) in order to arrange that peak, how do you reconcile the off-season (or just non-race season) training with that? Basically my question revolves around the fact that I don't want to stop training this fall/winter, I want to build off of my fitness that I've gained this summer training for races. But all this peaking crap I've read has jumbled up the ideas in my head. If I keep training right now (at a relative peak) can anything bad happen? If I train hard for 5 months this winter will that bring about a peak too early in the season? Some periodization plans call for no training for a long extended breaks in the off-season...So that you're "rested" and ready to begin building again. I say why not build on a peak? right?2. And would you say you agree with the non-linear periodization or linear periodization? I just read Brad Hudson's book "Run Faster" and a lot of it makes sense, his ideas about doing a little bit of everything all the time, and developing a overall run fitness before introducing 8 week peak builds. But I don't know how much of this applies to Triathlon training. That brings me to my next question:3. What do you think, are the notable differences between training for the single sports on their own, and doing it all together for triathlon? I understand that run strength is more important than pure, fresh speed, and bike endurance is very important to not interfere with the run. Swim volume in triathlon training can't really approach pure swimmer volume for more than a few weeks, and since the distances are way longer than a 200IM event, strength is again required over speed. Am I on the right track with this? What other ways are good to train to run fast off the bike? jacking up the bike mileage? doing transition runs? At the same time I think, well, I need a little pure speed in everything if I'm going to run bike and swim as fast as the top people in the sport. A low 30's 10k off a sub 1hr bike ride is fast. A low 30's 10k is fast relative to everyone else. Even a 2:45 marathon by itself is an achievement. Those guys have got to be able to be very very fast, maybe not elite runner level fast, but certainly right around 30 for an open 10k, and 2:25 - 2:35 for a marathon. (And I'm not even talking about the ITU guys). So certainly it takes a lot of strength to run a 2:45 off a bike ride in which you averaged 24 miles an hour. Anyway I'm getting off track. Just wondering what you think about how close triathlon training comes to just being single sport training x3 (or maybe just x2). I have read that back in the day, pro's did this type of training...and they were really really fast back in the day...4. I am going to get a power meter, what kind do you recommend? Right now I am riding a Cervelo Soloist Team (the aluminum ...GASP... kind), Figured I would tell you in case it mattered as to what kind of powermeter I can/should get. I know this is a lot. Thanks for anything in advance.-Dan, an Aspiring Caveman, Portland, OR++++++++++++++++++++
Hi Dan,
Thanks for the considerate words and the questions, I think! Despite the winter weather woes, Portland is a great area for tackling your goals in this sport since there's a surplus of active people and a plethora of fun, challenging events. You could certainly be worse off! Oh, and with regards to Olbrecht's book, yes, this is a tough one to unearth. You could find a friend ("mate", in English) in the UK and have him buy it and send it your way but for such a hassle and expense there are comparable works that perhaps equate to a wiser investment. For example, quite a few people (many of whom I respect, like
Alan) recommended I procure a copy of
Swimming Fastest by Maglischo, as it's apparently another first-rate manual. It should arrive in a few days. I have a personal list of favorites and I suspect it will coexist with them nicely.
I'll try to tackle your questions in the order you've posed them, along with some of my customary thoughts and lengthy tangents (
how's that for a disclaimer?!)…
First though I'd like to emphasize that there's an
overload of information on the Internet and much of it is unadulterated crap, so be careful spending tons of time reading or perusing; over-thinking is synonymous with under-performing! This particularly applies to forums, where any ol' idiot can post...and usually does. You're better off
simplifying and learning from your own experiences, especially if you're young and especially in light of your goals. And, of course, the best way for that to happen is to pull yourself away from the computer and get out there.
In this context, I often preach to those I guide that
"You're your own best coach" and each of them seem to understand this. All I really mean is that no coach can truly know what's going on inside an athlete like the athlete himself can, not even when the coach is standing right beside him or having the athlete piggyback him to the top of the hill (no comment).
Insofar as each athlete is his/her own best guide they must also come to realize that an adviser is there only to assist in the learning process. It's not always easy, of course, because there is no single "right way" for each of us to train or race. But that's the advantage of employing two or more heads instead of just one: it'll speed the process of finding YOUR best way to.
Always surround yourself with help, whether or not you think you need it!The biggest reason we cannot (and indeed
should not) all train alike is that our
responses to training affect each of us differently. And when you factor in individual lifestyle responsibilities and pressures it's no wonder few athletes respond similarly. Because of this the athlete/coach should take everything into account when considering future training requirements. You have to weigh your recovery needs and outside responsibilities (i.e., "reality") to help form your training load, and of course, such loads will need to frequently change, as life continually does. I once wrote that…
"One must train hard in order to learn how hard one can train. Likewise, one must race hard in order to learn how hard one can race. Once these lessons have been learned they must be repeated over and over again and then completed disregarded, as, with changes in fitness, the lesson also changes…"Now, with that said, there are a few physiological and psychological principles that apply to each of us; remember, we're more alike than we are dissimilar. But one problem is that we cannot all take full advantage of reaching our true ultimate physical and psychological peak, so adaptations or alterations must be made. If, for example, you work and attend school and only have twelve hours a week to dedicate to race preparation (i.e., training), then there's little point in applying the same stresses or tactics or principles that a pro who trains twenty-five or thirty hours each week might otherwise do. But, like them, you
should consider the following...
1) Your current level of fitness
2) Your overall ability (strengths & weaknesses)
3) The objective for any given workout
4) Your short
and long-term goals
Anyway, long lead-in aside, and to answer your questions…
>>>>If peaking exists, and one develops a periodized plan (whether non-linear or linear) in order to arrange that peak, how do you reconcile the off-season (or just non-race season) training with that? Basically my question revolves around the fact that I don't want to stop training this fall/winter, I want to build off of my fitness that I've gained this summer training for races. But all this peaking crap I've read has jumbled up the ideas in my head. If I keep training right now (at a relative peak) can anything bad happen? If I train hard for 5 months this winter will that bring about a peak too early in the season? Some periodization plans call for no training for a long extended breaks in the off-season...So that you're "rested" and ready to begin building again. I say why not build on a peak? right?Like most coaches I'm of the mindset that
peaking exists, but there are those who do not (and yet they produce top-notch athletes). One thing is for certain: fitness is ever-changing, if only slightly. A myriad of considerations affects our fitness, and motivation often (as in
almost always) leads the way. If an athlete can remain motivated year-round there is little point in holding him or her back. I coach a few athletes like this and their results show that there's no harm in it. But!
But in terms of physiological adaptations, you need to recognize that fitness does not/cannot depend on constant or continual sameness, as mentioned above. To build it you must challenge yourself and doing so when already challenged or have yet to fully
absorb the load (i.e.,
benefit from) is a sure-fire way to introduce the risks you've probably read about. Remember:
training is basically: load/unload/reload (i.e.,
two or three steps forward, one step back), both in a micro-cycling (short term) sense and a macro-cycling (long term) one. So while you might find yourself more race-ready tomorrow because of today's actions, you have to ask if this will mean you'll be that much better off a week or a month or a year from now. To answer that you can look to your training gains, by using the power meter, the heart rate monitor and the pace clock. They don't lie, but they don't always tell us the entire story.
The worst that can happen by trying to maintain a super-high (i.e., peak) level of fitness is that you get injured (risk is highest when you're continually striving) or find yourself losing motivation en route. The latter can easily happen when living in a rainy climate or when the hormonal responses to hard training start to wear on the brain and the rest of the body. You have to learn to recognize the signs before you find yourself hating the sport, whether its moodiness/irritability, inability to sleep, general fatigue, a lowered immunity, and so on. Motivation, or the lack thereof, is often preceded by overtraining. (By the way,
I don't believe at all in the whole notion of "overtraining" but for a rare few cases. Rather, the problem is known simply as "under-recovering". This, however, goes well beyond the scope of your questions or my response.)
Even if neither were to occur, injury or motivational woes, you'd need to be sure the fitness you're trying to maintain (or attain) relates to your long-term construction and outlook, and not just in preserving a foothill-like peak that has you fit in January but flat when it matters most, in June or July. You'll want to make sure it won't leave you shy of your ultimate intention, which, in sticking with the theme of all this stuff, isn't always easy to understand. For what it's worth, almost all the great coaches advise their athletes to take some sort of a break at some point of the year. The question is for how long and of what sort---
full rest, active rest, cross-training, what? (In general, I rarely advise complete rest or inactivity except for those focusing on one big race a year, and usually an Ironman at that.) Often times a full break has the athlete hungrier than ever when it matters most, and this is perhaps what
matters most.
All said, the issue here is in mixing physiological principles with psychological events as they transpire. My advice is if you're motivated don't ever refrain from training. Just be sure that it's the kind that has you building toward future goals and not just immediate ones (and there
is a difference). In order to be sure of this, measure your training responses and keep track of your motivation…and roll with it! Again, it's all a learning opportunity, so don't look at any of this in anything less than the most positive light.
>>>>And would you say you agree with the non-linear periodization or linear periodization? I just read Brad Hudson's book "Run Faster" and a lot of it makes sense, his ideas about doing a little bit of everything all the time, and developing a overall run fitness before introducing 8 week peak builds. But I don't know how much of this applies to Triathlon training.Hudson's book really hit home with me but so too does Lydiard's, and each man has his own approach. Like all coaches I blend an array of approaches into one...mine. But even then it evolves continually and is applied differently to each individual. To claim I have "an" approach is to limit myself and those I coach; there are no absolutes. It's worth noting, however, that there are more commonalities in Hudson's and Lydiard's respective approaches than there are differences, as with any two endurance coaches. To boot, they are (
were in Lydiard's case) both run coaches. Triathlon, particularly the Ironman stuff, is an entirely different entity, as explained further down, below your next question.
For the most part, if I've been working (or am going to be working) with an athlete for 2-3 years we'll lean more toward a slow-to-build linear approach. But the truth is there's also always some non-linear aspects involved, so to call it linear in the purest sense simply isn't accurate. But the problem with trying to achieve all the training responses desired at once is that the body can't really maintain them all; certain responses take years to develop, others just months, so it might just be a "sprinkling" of some training components/necessities/considerations and a near full-on focus on others. While training might be simplified to something as basic as "load/unload/reload" or "stress applied/stress removed" each component is far more detailed and involved than that, and of course there is evidence that Lydiard's approach works and evidence that Hudson's works, both scientifically and anecdotally (naturally). Finally, and back to the simplicity thing for a second, it's important to keep in mind that training is really nothing more than
RACE PRACTICE; this should help you see how silly it is to debate training methods. Debate only yours.
But I digress.
All said, there's little point in training a single aspect at a time and I know of few coaches, if any, who do. Maffetone preached sticking to a specific submaximal heart rate cap in the early build-up, but even then he prescribed short downhill or alactic efforts to those he coached (one of which was the guy writing this blog). So while his
theories might be viewed in such a manner, his
practice wasn't strictly about a
single component at a time.
In general, and due to the non-abusive/low-impact nature of it, I have athletes swim fairly hard year-round (with a wide mix of intensities and skills involved). I also typically have them ride long year-round (which is good for building their aerobic engine, not only allowing them to be stronger cyclists but stronger runners too) with less of the intense stuff but always a little when it's required; those who work or attend school still ride long but maybe just once a week on weekends, as opposed to three or four days a week for the pros I guide. Finally, I have them run frequently but with far less intensity or overly-long stuff, for obvious reasons. But it depends on the individual and his or her strengths, weaknesses, tendencies and needs. There are simply too many variables for a one-size-fits-all response or a one-size-fits-all template here.
So while it might not be wise to be doing a whole bunch of run sprint training in December when your next race is an Ironman in July, it can make good sense if you're focusing on an Olympic-distance event in early March. Understanding your own physiological and psychological responses helps to identify which of the two---
predominantly linear or predominantly non-linear---might fit you best. My suggestion: include a little of everything but a LOT of what matters for your long haul objectives.
>>>>What do you think, are the notable differences between training for the single sports on their own, and doing it all together for triathlon? I understand that run strength is more important than pure, fresh speed, and bike endurance is very important to not interfere with the run. Swim volume in triathlon training can't really approach pure swimmer volume for more than a few weeks, and since the distances are way longer than a 200IM event, strength is again required over speed. Am I on the right track with this?You've just about answered your own questions here, but in truth they are such a loaded set that there's no easy way to answer them. But since I have no life, I'll take a stab at 'em!
First of all, the biggest difference between triathlon and any of the three individual sports that comprise it are the duration of the events. Only cycling events and ultra-marathon swim or run events can be considered comparable. Because of this, the training must be adapted and directed to it. Endurance (the ability to endure) becomes paramount, regardless of speeds sustained.
Speed is a relative term, of course, and speed can only be built by training near the speeds you hope to compete at, but you have to understand that speed isn't (or shouldn't always be) the sole consideration; if there's a
cost to that speed, then it must be taken into account as well.
The athlete who wins a triathlon may be the fastest in the event and therefore considered "speedy", but quite often there are plenty of athletes they've beaten who possess more pure speed. This doesn't mean you wouldn't want to be speedy, of course, but that you want to do the appropriate work to beat those who might be speedier or have more raw natural talent. A good example of this is
Peter Snell, the great New Zealand middle-distance runner in the 1960s. Snell was fast but nowhere near as fast those he went against. He "snatched" his Olympic gold medals by wearing the others down, and this in just 800 meters of running, an event that demands FAR more speed than any triathlon! So it becomes especially critical in something lasting as long as a triathlon to reframe your thinking into
speedy over the course of the goal event and not simply "speedy".
To illustrate this, I'm sure at any given point in a triathlon I could ask you to sprint faster for a short while and that you'd be able to (e.g., almost every competitor can sprint toward the finish line if necessary and almost all of them do!).
But could you sustain even a semblance of that speed? Probably not. This, therefore, is an endurance or stamina related issue, not a speed issue.
Basically you have a few different kinds of speed…
- Pure Raw Speed (e.g., up to 200 meters while running; up to 50 meters while swimming; and perhaps an all-out 20-second power effort while cycling)
- Race Goal Speed (e.g., 19-min 1,500m swim; 10K race pace goal; 40K ride wattage goal)
- Current Race Capacity (e.g., 22-min 1,500m swim speed; current 10K pace capacity; current 40K wattage capacity)
- Relative Speed (as compared to other competitors)
- Aerobic Speed (determined by physiological cost and the athlete's ability to sustain it)
Naturally, to be at the top level in an endurance sport like triathlon, each consideration is important but pure raw speed is nowhere near as decisive as one might think. And anyway, you can only do so much to increase your God-given speed, whereas the others are all highly trainable. It's important to understand and appreciate all this, as you seem to, since you basically answered your second part of your #3 question here. Yes, you
are on the right track!
>>>>What other ways are good to train to run fast off the bike? jacking up the bike mileage? doing transition runs? At the same time I think, well, I need a little pure speed in everything if I'm going to run bike and swim as fast as the top people in the sport. A low 30's 10k off a sub 1hr bike ride is fast. A low 30's 10k is fast relative to everyone else. Even a 2:45 marathon by itself is an achievement. Those guys have got to be able to be very very fast, maybe not elite runner level fast, but certainly right around 30 for an open 10k, and 2:25 - 2:35 for a marathon. (And I'm not even talking about the ITU guys). So certainly it takes a lot of strength to run a 2:45 off a bike ride in which you averaged 24 miles an hour. Anyway I'm getting off track. Just wondering what you think about how close triathlon training comes to just being single sport training x3 (or maybe just x2). I have read that back in the day, pro's did this type of training...and they were really really fast back in the day...Damn you Dan! Another multi-part question with so many variables that need to be considered…
Let me first reiterate that you (plural: an athlete) need to weigh your current capacities/incapacities and immediate objectives before proceeding with
any course of action. If you know right now that you're not a fast runner off the bike, for example, then you will need to figure out precisely why. A fast ride beforehand will show that your bike strength might be fine, so you can narrow it down somewhat, to either poor ride pacing (which relates to lack of stamina…when it's required you run well afterward) or to your run strength/stamina. Pure run speed is irrelevant, as your swim affects your ride and your ride affects your run. But, that said, if you ride and swim well (and well within yourself) and proceed to run poorly, then we know it's your running that needs the focus. Still, because triathlon is an endurance sport, this relates more to run
strength than run speed.
(Now, as a quick aside, if a race comes down to a dash for the finish line, pure speed will probably matter but methinks, at that point, it's still as much correlated to stamina and tactical elements as it is pure speed ability…ask
Simon Whitfield about this.)
I've witnessed plenty of athletes capable of swimming or riding or running well (hell, with a sub-17-minute 1,500m, a 400+watt FTP and a 31-minute 10K, I was one of them). But when all three activities took place in succession (i.e, a triathlon) the weakness would often manifest itself late in the ride or during the run.
So would this mean the athlete is a poor runner? No, not at all. It simply means he or she is a poor triathlete or has performed poorly when it mattered most…i.e., either poor training or poor execution.
Now, if race day pacing is/was well executed, only then can you assume that running is or might be the issue. Let me give you an example. We've all seen good swimmers and/or cyclists (whether they were triathletes or single-sport athletes) who just can't seem to run, despite their motor and given abilities in those other events. Well, this is as much due to body type and biomechanical "issues" as it is due to his or her pure run capacity and speed. Any such issues that come at a cost (i.e., affect the athlete's economy) will therefore also need to be addressed. Running (or any other activity) isn't simply about moving through space in quick fashion. The activity's cost
has to be considered, particularly the longer an event becomes…and particularly when fatigue might already be considerable (i.e., following the swim and ride). Again, this relates to stamina and endurance and not so much just speed. Less economical runners might be able to "fake it" for a while but it's those who've closed the gap between their
aerobic speed and their pure speed who are more likely to reach their goal race speed.
A lot of this, of course, depends on endurance and training volume but a lot of it also depends on skills and doing things correctly in training…and not just going through the motions for vast chunks of time each day or week or month. The bottom line is that
an athlete must become efficient at carrying out the exact activities required so that less energy is wasted during competition and long hard exertions remain less stressful…that the effort doesn't compound too soon. And a focus on "speed" is not always the right way to go about it since the cost tends to increase exponentially with increased effort.
In my assessment and experience, pure endurance should come first. Ask yourself:
can you go the distance? Then go about the rest of the considerations:
how fast can the distance be accomplished? How fast can each discipline (the swim, the bike and the run) within that distance be accomplished? What glaring weakness stands out? Are there more than just one weakness? How is my pure speed? How is my aerobic speed and economy? How close am I to my race goal speed?Know that there are numerous routes to your long-term personal summit but the one
you chose must be one you believe in 100% and one that proves en route that you're on the right track. The hard part isn't the peak but in finding the right route for you. As I once wrote in an old magazine article, "There are many ways to do your best and of those, one of them is best." But I think when attempting to find your way
effort is the key, not speed.
Oh, and as per your last question---
what kind of power meter do I recommend?---I'd let your budget decide. The SRM is the crème de la crème while the PowerTap is a tad more affordable. Because most those I guide consider the sport their profession, I typically advise the SRM (as it tends to be less finicky and more reliable). But the folks at PowerTap are quite helpful and closer to home if any evils were to arise. As mentioned, the PowerTap is much more affordable and still very reliable. Either way, I wholly recommend getting one or the other, as they'll vastly speed up your training learning process and as we know, speed is what it's all about!
Thanks for writing and making me think! -Chuckie